Problems with Talent Identification
Posted by Brian McCormick on November 22, 2008
Last week, on socalhoops, people argued the merits and disadvantages of age hold backs. Some posters felt that the age hold backs helped the age appropriate kids because the age appropriate kids play against tougher competition.
Theoretically, this is correct. When I was young, my parents lied about my age so I could attend a good basketball camp and play against older players. However, this gave me an advantage only when I returned to play against players my own age. Against the older kids, I did okay, but I certainly did not have an advantage.
This theory breaks down because of the way we evaluate and identify talent. When players try-out for the sponsored AAU team, and 11-year-olds compete against 10-year-olds for a spot on an u-11 AAU team, the 11-year-olds have a huge advantage because of the year of maturity. There is a big differece between a 10 and an 11-year-old in size, strength and maturity. Once a player makes a select team, he gets more practice time, better coaches (theoretically) and more opportunities (private training, better competition, etc.).
This is the subject of Chapter 1 in Malcolm Gladwell’s Outliers. I have written frequently about our inability to evaluate and identify talent and the traits and characteristics which truly determine talent, whether for young players or when hiring coaches.
Gladwell writes about Canadian junior hockey players. He starts by writing:
If you have ability, the vast network of hockey scouts and talent spotters [AAU coaches and grassroots organizers] will find you, and if you are willing to work to develop that ability, the system will reward you.
We believe this to be true. The best and most talented players develop into the elite performers at the next level. We invest in this idea that you can identify superior talents at an early age, which is why we now rate 4th graders. However, Gladwell challenges this belief. A Canadian psychologist discovered that “in any elite group of Canadian hockey players, 40 percent of the players will have been born in January, February and March.” I have seen similar studies on baseball players in the USA. Is it a fluke? No, it’s age and maturity.
The cut-off date for junior hockey leagues in January 1. Therefore, a kid born in early January competes against a kid born in December who is almost one year younger. When I was young, I was one of the youngest players on my soccer teams; I think the cut-off was January 1 and I was a late September birthday. I always played on teams with kids who were a grade ahead of me in school who had birthdays in January and February. I remember playing with two friends in my class with November birthdays. But, in general, I was one of the younger players. However, in baseball, I think the cut-off date was August or September because I was always one of the older players. At younger ages, I performed better in baseball than soccer. I played all-stars in baseball, but I was never a very good soccer player. However, one of my friends in my class with a February birthday played select and competitive soccer. I always thought we were about the same in ability when we played at school. But, he competed against kids in an age group where he was one of the oldest kids, while I was in an age group where I was one of the youngest. Even though we had similar ability, he had that advantage in soccer, while I had a similar advantage in baseball. When coaches choose the select or all-star teams, “they are more likely to view as talented the bigger and more coordinated players who have the benefit of critical extra months of maturity,” (Gladwell).
The advantage, at the beginning, is small. At younger ages, like I said, we were about the same ability. However, by high school, my friend was clearly a better soccer player than me:
In the beginning, his advantage isn’t so much that he is inherently better but only that he is a little older. But by the age of 13 or 14, with the benefit of better coaching and all the extra practice under his belt, he really is better, so he’s the one more likely to make it.
I wrote about this in regards to player rankings, as it creates the self-fulfilling prophecy, which sociologist Robert Merton defined as a situation where “a false definition, in the beginning…evokes a new behavior which makes the original false conception come true.” When someone rates 4th graders, he does not identify talent – he identifies the players with early birth dates (or grade hold backs) who are more mature, taller, stronger and more coordinated. I wrote previously in Cross Over about such a player with a January birthday who matured early and made a “sponsored” team as a post player even though his dad was 5′8. In 5th grade, the kid was nearly full grown, so he had a definite advantage. When players get rated and make the “sponsored” teams, they have advantages like personal training and more gym time for practice and money to attend national tournaments. These advantages give the chosen few an advantage as they develop and the small advantage of age expands as the players receive more and better coaching (fortunately, or unfortunately as the case may be, basketball’s age advantage is less pronounced because of its entrepreneurial nature – there is no guarantee that a “sponsored” team receives better coaching, and often the opposite is true, as the sponsored teams feature shoe reps rather than dedicate coached).
Barnsley [the Canadian psychologist] argues that these kinds of skewed age distributions exist whenever three things happen: selection, streaming and differentiated experience. if you make a decision about who is good and who is not good at an early age; if you separate the “talented” from the “untalented;” and if you provide the “talented” with superior experience, then you’re going to end up giving a huge advantage to the small group of people born closest to the cut-off date.
In Outliers, Gladwell looks at the Canadian junior hockey team and the Czech soccer team. He writes that at any national team try-out, those born more than six months after the cut-off date should not even bother at the try-outs.
Those born in the last half of the year have all been discouraged, or overlooked, or pushed out of the sport. The talent of essentially half of the Czech athletic population has been squandered.
I wrote about point guards and personality over the summer and hypothesized that potential point guards are overlooked because at young ages, coaches select the more mature, more aggressive players (older players) rather than selecting for the talents and characteristics of good point guard play. While it does not preclude a point guard from being born early in the year (Nash was born in February), when basketball coaches select for talent, the attributes they choose are not those synonymous with point guard play, even though many of the players chosen at early ages are ones who dribble well. As players develop, the bigger, stronger players dominate the ball, which enhances their development and reduces the development of a potential facilitator.
Gladwell’s study in Chapter 1 illustrates that we have a poor understanding of the road to success or excellence, and without a better understanding, our ability to evaluate and identify talent diminishes. When ranking players, choosing teams or identifying prospects, we need to look deeper than size, speed and strength, as those characteristics tend to balance as players continue to develop and all the players go through puberty. However, other talents do not necessarily balance out as players grow (like the personality of a facilitator), and players’ skills do not develop equally. What we see as success at an early age is often not success, but age. Rather than choose and develop the older players, we need a system by which we identify true talents or we need to wait to identify “talent” and differentiate training until the advantages of maturity disappear.

tomscott99 said
Holdbacks don’t help the younger kids because the younger kids don’t make the team. When I coached a 7th grade team I had a little point guard who was 12 and had an August birthday. That is, he was in the correct grade, born a few weeks before the cutoff, but was 1.5 years younger than some heldback kids. He would have been one of the better 6th grade players, but I knew there was no way he was going to make the 8th grade team for next year competing against the post-pubescent teenagers. I was right. That’s it for him; no way he can make the team in a later year if he didn’t make it in 8th.
Sometimes heldback junior high superstars with beards are disappointed when they get passed by in high school, but at least they had their shot. The younger kids don’t get a shot.
My son is also a summer birthday correct year kid, younger than many athletes who are a grade below him, but he’s large and physically developed and would look ridiculous had he been held back. So it’s not an issue for him. But I feel bad for the younger borderline kids who get beat out by a kid who’s older.
And “grade exemption” kids dominate youth basketball. A heldback kid who’s nearly 12 can compete in AAU as “10 and under” (e.g., Tyler Hansbrough, OJ Mayo) against 9 yr olds who are in the right grade. What a dishonest system!
But it works. A kid who makes a name dominating younger kids will get attention from colleges, who rarely bother to find out the kid’s actual age.
By the way, I believe the Europeans go by actual age instead of grade.
Brian McCormick said
I agree. In theory, it should be an advantage for younger players to play against older players, like when I went to camp. The difference is that I returned to play against kids my age – with hold backs and grade exemptions, there is no change back to compete against same age kids.
I looked at the NBA rosters. The most popular birth month is May (46). August (28) and January (29) were the lowest. December was in the middle (35). Coincidentally, many of the top players have November/December birthdays: LeBron James, Amare Stoudemire, Dwight Howard, O.J. Mayo. Of course, we know Mayo is a hold back and I believe James was as well. So, the study is inconclusive because it does not account for those with hold backs.
I also noticed that Russell Westbrook was a December birthday. Westbrook is the quientessential late bloomer. Largely overlooked until his senior year of high school, he appeared to develop out of nowhere in college. However, he grew several inches in his junior year of high school to get near 6′3. He also played at a traditionally weak high school program compared to many other programs in his area. Would he have had that chance to grow into a great player late in his high school career if he had gone to a powerhouse school? Maybe he would be a football player because he didn’t see any time on the basketball team early in high school as a late bloomer?
European clubs are age-based, which is what creates the big difference in birthdays giving the big advantages to those born in the first three months. In grade-based activities, like basketball in the USA, the difference between birth months changes because of hold backs – many kids (especially boys) born in the last three months of the year start school the following year, so kids born in the last three months of the year actually have the advantage in grade-based activities.
FWIW, the NBA breakdown by month:
1. May 46
2. February 42
3. November 40
4. June 38
5. September 36
6. December 35
March 35
8. April 33
9. July 32
10. October 30
11. January 29
12. August 28
Regardless of who (what month) has the advantage, as coaches and selectors of players, we need to recognize the issue and create ways to level the playing field in terms of competitive advancement for young kids until the advantages of early puberty dissipate (high school?).
tomscott99 said
Don’t think looking at birth month in NBA does anything, for three reasons:
Cutoffs are different by state. In my state, the cutoff is Sept 15 and was Aug 1 in the early 90s. So an August or Sept birthday can be at the older end not younger even with no holdbacks.
Holdbacks skew things. 4th year NBA player Andrew Bynum was born 1 week before one-and-done rookie OJ Mayo, yet they were two years apart in school. Sophomore (last year) Heisman winner Tim Tebow is actually older than Junior runnerup Darren McFadden. Notre Dame freshman Jimmy Clausen is within a few weeks of McFadden.
NBA players are freaks and the rules don’t apply. Bynum and Jermain ONeal were drafted at 17 because they were huge and athletic. Garnett was a 19.5 year old high schooler (as was Kwame Brown), but would probably have been drafted at 17. LeBron was not a hold-back, but had the body of a 20 year old when he was 14.
A better study would be to look at youth league all-stars, or an elite youth team. One of the things that started me thinking about this was a couple years ago I noticed that a national high school all-star team was almost all guys who turned 18 before their senior year of high school (i.e., held back).
tomscott99 said
I should follow this up by pointing out that grade holdbacks aren’t as much of an issue in girls’ basketball for two reasons. First, girls just aren’t as likely to be held back because they tend to be more mature at kindergarten age and because their dads aren’t as likely to be looking for a sports advantage for them. The second reason is that AAU has January 1 as the age cutoff for girls. Here’s how it works:
John and Jill are 12 year old twins in 7th grade and will turn 13 next July. Jill is 12 in AAU age because she’s 12 on Jan 1 of 7th grade and she can play with the “12 and under” team for this academic year and next summer. John, however, is 13 in AAU age because that’s how old he will be in September after 7th grade and he has to play on the “13 and under” team. If he’d been held back, he could play “12 and under” under the “grade exemption” rule. But as it is, he plays against 14 year old “grade exemption” kids. In fact, a few boys in his division turned 14 in the Fall of 7th grade and are nearly 2 years older than John.
AAU could solve much of the grade exemption “problem” by moving the boys date to coincide with the girls, allowing boys who are in the right grade and have spring and summer birthdays to play with the younger group. However, the reason I put “problem” in quotes is that AAU coaches and administrators don’t see it as a problem. Nearly every AAU coach I’ve ever met has held back their own son to give him an advantage and changing the age rule would lessen this advantage. Coaches without sons on the team just see at as a way of 7th graders to unfairly play against their 6th grade team, even if their 6th graders are older.
I actually saw this happen. Parents were angry at officials for ignoring the rules and letting an 11 year old 6th grader play on an 11 and under 5th grade team (their town didn’t have a 6th grade team) even though he was younger than some of their kids (they calmed down when they realized he wasn’t real good).
Coaches defend the system by saying everyone plays under the same rules (how can it be a problem when the rules are the same for everyone?) and parents of the younger kids should hold them back if they don’t like it. They honestly don’t understand that parents are unwilling to hold their kids back academically for the sake of getting an advantage in sports.
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